VALE is on the committee board as a typed US ticker. Isolated masters still write from SEC companyfacts when they exist; trusts and foreign issuers may show an empty fact card instead of invented ratios.
Unlocked seats write alone on VALE: value vs growth vs kill-shot. The clerk assembles after. Empty seats stay empty. This page is not a rating.
Confirm share class, listing venue, and whether EDGAR has us-gaap facts for VALE before treating multiples as real. Not advice.
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VALE S.A. · 20-F FY · FY2012 · ended 2012-12-31 · CIK 0000917851
Filings from SEC companyfacts (us-gaap). P/B, P/S from cached price × diluted shares vs filings. Not a live quote. Not a live quote, not advice, not a buy button. Missing numbers stay blank; P/E shows n/m when diluted EPS ≤ 0.
Same file, different rules. Each brief states a view and why. Briefs are written in isolation so one loud narrative cannot drag the room. The clerk reads them only after they exist. Never “you should buy.” There is no buy button.
Skeptical — the burden of proof is on the bull case. Owner test on VALE: P/E not on file, P/B 1.07, ROE 7.4%, net income $5.5B. Region: Brazil.
Question: “Research VALE as a US-listed emerging-market name.”. Owner earnings lens on VALE. Plain Midwest English, folksy metaphors, long-horizon. Hard rule: Circle of competence: if the business cannot be explained simply, pass. Numbers on file: P/E not on file; P/B 1.07; ROE 7.4%; net income $5.5B; revenue YoY -21.8%. On file: 20-F FY FY2012; revenue $48.8B; revenue YoY -21.8%; net income $5.5B; ROE 7.4%; LT debt/equity 0.41; P/B 1.1; P/S 1.6; price $15.28 cached. A low multiple that needs a hero story is not a margin of safety. A rich multiple with durable ROE can still be a business — but then price is the risk. Underwrite frame: Pass for now. EM overlay: Brazil · Iron ore / copper. Cycle name. Templeton-style: price versus pessimism, not a story stock. Kill-shot unique to this listing: China steel demand breaks and the dividend is the only thesis.. Isolated: I am not averaging a country ETF view with this name.
Skeptical — the burden of proof is on the bull case. Classify VALE before cheering growth. revenue YoY -21.8%. P/E not on file. Region: Brazil.
Question: “Research VALE as a US-listed emerging-market name.”. Classify before multiple. Six-category company classification system.. revenue YoY -21.8%. P/E not on file. revenue $48.8B. On file: 20-F FY FY2012; revenue $48.8B; revenue YoY -21.8%; net income $5.5B; ROE 7.4%; LT debt/equity 0.41; P/B 1.1; P/S 1.6; price $15.28 cached. Fast growth with no category is how you buy a story. Stalwart growth with a broken category is how you overstay. Underwrite frame: Pass for now. EM overlay: Brazil · Iron ore / copper. Cycle name. Templeton-style: price versus pessimism, not a story stock. Kill-shot unique to this listing: China steel demand breaks and the dividend is the only thesis.. Isolated: I am not averaging a country ETF view with this name.
Skeptical — the burden of proof is on the bull case. Invert VALE first. What has to be false for the bull to die? Region: Brazil.
Question: “Research VALE as a US-listed emerging-market name.”. Invert VALE. Invert: how would this thesis get killed? List the kill-shots before the romance. On file: 20-F FY FY2012; revenue $48.8B; revenue YoY -21.8%; net income $5.5B; ROE 7.4%; LT debt/equity 0.41; P/B 1.1; P/S 1.6; price $15.28 cached. Name what must be true for the bull: earnings quality, leverage (0.41), and whether footnotes hide the cycle. If I cannot name the kill path, I am not doing the job. Underwrite frame: Pass for now. EM overlay: Brazil · Iron ore / copper. Cycle name. Templeton-style: price versus pessimism, not a story stock. Kill-shot unique to this listing: China steel demand breaks and the dividend is the only thesis.. Isolated: I am not averaging a country ETF view with this name.
Counted from isolated briefs. Ratios are filings or cached model input — not a live quote, not a rating, not a buy button.
| Metric | Value | Note |
|---|---|---|
| P/E | — | P/B, P/S from cached price × diluted shares vs filings. Not a live quote. |
| P/B | 1.07 | P/B, P/S from cached price × diluted shares vs filings. Not a live quote. |
| P/S | 1.62 | — |
| ROE | 7.4% | — |
| LT debt / equity | 0.41 | — |
| Revenue (FY) | $48.8B | — |
| Revenue YoY | -21.8% | — |
| Net income | $5.5B | — |
| Diluted EPS | — | — |
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